In this episode, my erstwhile cohost, Luke Mergner, and I talk to Alex Gourevitch who published a piece last year in Catalyst that levied a critique of anti-work discourse and universal basic income. We talk to Alex about what the anti-work and post-work crowd get wrong in their thinking about work and the future.

Alex is an associate professor of political science at Brown University. He is currently writing a book on the political ethics of strikes and a book on shared labor socialism. He has written for Jacobin, Dissent, and other publications.